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	<title>Comments on: In defence of object-relational mapping tools</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.magpiebrain.com/blog/2005/04/10/in-defence-of-object-relational-mapping-tools/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure it would. You can have encapsulation of the ORM layer without it of course, using simple, clean, Java code. This does have the (dis)advantage of not using XML of course, but I happen to prefer writing Java to XML...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure it would. You can have encapsulation of the ORM layer without it of course, using simple, clean, Java code. This does have the (dis)advantage of not using <acronym title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</acronym> of course, but I happen to prefer writing Java to <acronym title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</acronym>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Lim</title>
		<link>http://www.magpiebrain.com/blog/2005/04/10/in-defence-of-object-relational-mapping-tools/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... something like Spring DAO framework would be useful in encapsulating against the various ORM layer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; something like Spring DAO framework would be useful in encapsulating against the various ORM layer</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.magpiebrain.com/blog/2005/04/10/in-defence-of-object-relational-mapping-tools/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've certainly worked on projects where things were sub-optimal - I might actually write up what we've been doing in more detail, as that's often a good way to get some feedback...when you do something you haven't done before you're always worreid you're doing something completely bonehead :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve certainly worked on projects where things were sub-optimal - I might actually write up what we&#8217;ve been doing in more detail, as that&#8217;s often a good way to get some feedback&#8230;when you do something you haven&#8217;t done before you&#8217;re always worreid you&#8217;re doing something completely bonehead :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Brekke</title>
		<link>http://www.magpiebrain.com/blog/2005/04/10/in-defence-of-object-relational-mapping-tools/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Brekke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, we should encapsulate the ORM layer, or we are tied to the ORM framework.  I guess Darren talks about coupling to the database, but I agree with you the quote should end with  "... to the ORM framework."  

We've not done this well at my work, we've chosen the path of pain.  Mostly unknowingly, but we can't seem to break out if it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, we should encapsulate the ORM layer, or we are tied to the ORM framework.  I guess Darren talks about coupling to the database, but I agree with you the quote should end with  &#8220;&#8230; to the ORM framework.&#8221;  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve not done this well at my work, we&#8217;ve chosen the path of pain.  Mostly unknowingly, but we can&#8217;t seem to break out if it&#8230;</p>
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